Chippewa Valley VHF Contesters

Date:  April 24th, 2004

Meeting place:  1st Lutheran  Church, White Bear Lake, MN

Time:  9:00 am, CDT

 

 

Members Present:

    

     David Aho                    N9TTX

     Justin Glasener              K9MU

     Ray Johnson                 W9RAY

     John McDonald             KB9TLV

     Robert Rohrssen            KB9PJL

     Charlie Betz                   N0AKC

 

 

Callsign list for club vanity call:

 

The callsign of KC9FTJ has been issued to us as a club callsign.  Ugh...horrid call, anyhow, Here is the list of calls that we have mentioned for possible vanity calls…not in any order.  I would appreciate feedback on your favorites (Please limit to a list of 15)…please send to direct to my email addy of n9ttx@yahoo.com or to the club reflector.  In a week I will compile the favorites into a numbered list and then send in the vanity application with those as the preferred calls.  Also, as points to look at, a call that sounds good on code…good rhythm,  (preferably a call with no “K” as the last letter for example) and one that has decent phonetics for voice.  Here is the list.  Thanks to Justin for going and pulling the lists of 2X1’s and 1X2’s.

 

·        NV9V

·        K9CMM

·        WI9D

·        WI9VC

·        WI9VHF

·        N9VC

·        K9CVV

·        K9CVC

·        W9CVC

·        K9BOO

·        N9MWC

·        K9UHF

·        N9VVC

·        KS9B

·        KU9B

·        NM9B

·        AK9C

·        NO9C

·        WO9C

·        KN9D

·        NV9D

·        WO9D

Antennas Tested:

 

            The following antennas were tested (that I know of) at the ranges at Aurora.  I am not sure as to what antennas were done offhand as I was flitting from place to place, but these are what I remember…and also IF I remember a gain measurement.  If I get the gain wrong or forget someone’s antenna, it is because of the being in only one place at once and by not writing the gains down (including mine) on a separate piece of paper…mainly the latter.  Keep an eye on the NLRS page for the official results later on.  These are just to give an idea of what was tested and the ballpark of what we got.  The results will be listed by 1) dBd gain from the reference if remembered, and 2) gain in dBd as corrected.  If I remember right, the 902 stuff is done in dBi not dBd.  Here goes.

 

Antenna            Member                    Results         From Ref.            Corrected

144 Mhz            Darrell’s Loop                    Tested             - 5 dBd       4.9 dBd

144 Mhz            Dave’s 14 el. Yagi            Tested            +3 dBd??            12.9 dBd??

220 Mhz            Al’s yagi                 Tested            +4 dBd??            13.7 dBd??

220 Mhz            10 el ugly HB                       Tested            +2 dBd??            11.7 dBd??           

432 Mhz            Darrell’s loop             Tested            - 9 dBd       0.9 dBd

432 Mhz            Darrell’s 17 el.            Tested            +4 dBd??            13.9 dBd

432 Mhz            Dave’s 17 el             Tested            +4 dBd??            13.9 dBd

432 Mhz            Ray’s 21? El             Tested            +9 dBd??            18.9 dBd

432 Mhz            Dave’s 25 el K1FO            Tested            +9 dBd??            18.9 dBd

902 Mhz            Dave’s Looper            Tested              ??????             8.4 dBi??

902 Mhz            Justin’s 16 footer            Tested              ??????            17.0 dBi??

902 Mhz            Bob’s 16 footer            Tested              ??????             8.4 dBi??

902  Mhz            dish                             Tested              ??????             8.0 dBi??

 

 

Soapbox:

 

Well here we go, although there was no hardcore meeting, we did sit around after lunch and chat a bit about things, and the general feel for Aurora was again very positive.  Here is the day’s events broke down into 2 sections before and after lunch (Inside and outside).

 

Outside

The swapmeet/antenna testing/show & tell session in the parking lot was a bit confused at first.  The church people apparently had a convention scheduled that morning also, so we were constantly fighting the people who wanted to drive and park in the middle of the swap area and antenna ranges.  The weather was decent and, contrary to the forecast, it did not rain.  Although the wind was blowing like crazy, and a bit cool, the day was a nice sunny one. I set up the porta tower for show and tell and got a lot of comments and questions about it.  I think it was a hit.  The antenna ranges were set up with 144 Mhz through 432 at Donn’s bench and 902 and above at Bob Wesslund’s Bench.  Although some of the antennas were a disappointment (my 902 looper and 10 el 220, Bob’s dish and 16 footer), at least some idea were given for improvement/problem solving (at least in my case..with different feed elements on both).  The 16 footer 902 that we worked on at Antenna day was tested and although I cannot remember the measurements, I guess they were very favorable.  I never got a chance to get my 1296 stuff out there to be measured…too busy helping Donn at the other bench.  The show and tell session in the parking lot was centered around the collective vehicles of mine (porta-tower); Mike, KM0T, and his set of dishes (I think for 2.4 Ghz); and the drool puddles were all over the parking lot next to Jon, W0AMT, and his rover mobile.  All I can say is “slurp”  WOW!!!!!  And he takes it all apart and such 5 times a year.

 

Inside

The presentations and the meetings were very entertaining and informational.  The best talk I think was given by Matt (KA0PQW) on power line noise.  He is a very energetic and entertaining speaker…not to mention a guy who does not hesitate to speak his mind.  Here are the notes I jotted down from his presentation about his problems with power line noise and how he essentially single handedly took on the job of getting as he says “Every power pole, transformer, and line in town replaced at least once.”  His tips and such are here:

 

Power line noise: 

When raining, the noise goes away or the sound goes away.  This usually points toward a ground problem with the power line system.

A buzzing may denote power line interference across the whole spectrum.  Direction finding the noise source is an undertaking.

 

Direction Finding:

AM radios are NOT a good way to DF.  Use sideband instead.  He uses an old beat up SSB 2 meter rig with a Ľ wave 2-meter whip mounted to the back of the set…and a portable battery pack.  Hold the antenna horizontal and straight in front of you.  This uses your body as a reflector, and because of the way the antenna is held, it is very directional.  He noted that the overhead projector was making noise by swinging in an arc, and the noise got louder as he came near the projector. 

Track at the highest frequency available.  220 Mhz or 2 meters are best.  One can track on 6 meters also, but the antenna is longer and not as easy to handle.  Once you get close to the noise source, if you can switch up the bands to find the noise…but 2 meters seems to be very easy to use (from his demonstration). 

If you are walking down the street with your DF gear and the noise is going up and down, he said this is a propagation issue.  When the noise becomes constant, this is near the noise source.  If you find a pole or some such thing that you think is causing the noise, use a rubber mallet to hit the pole, or shake the pole or guy wire.  (Be careful…power lines are dangerous you know).  If you hear a major noise change (popping, crackling, change in pitch/volume), you have most likely found the source.

 

Possible culprits:

Usually Insulators, grounding problems, lightning arrestors, or hardware are the problem, not usually the transformers as is commonly thought.  Streetlights will cause problems.  This includes bad ballasts, and a “shot out” light where the filament is still activated, but not in the vacuum of the light anymore.

 

Conclusion:

As far as dealing with the power companies, if you can, find the source yourself first, THEN call.  Be nice on the phone, but also be persistent.  Do not threaten, but try and work with them. Try and get past the “script- readers” on the phone and talk to a tech if you can…if nothing is resolved go further up the ladder if you can. Go out to the site if you can and help them find the problem.   Remember also that a lot of the linemen track with an AM radio and may not know a lot about the tech side of what causes what or DFing in general.  Help them out and be nice. It has taken him 20 years of dealing with the company there, but now they know that is Matt calls, he knows what he is talking about and that the issue will be looked into.

 

            Barry, VE4MA, gave a talk on BPL.  What is it??  BPL is a system that enables delivery of high-speed broadband data over medium or low voltage power lines.  He works for the Power company in Canada, and being a ham he is straddling the fence so to speak.  I will not go into any of the details I took down as after talking with him, he said that for legalities and all that he wanted to keep the talk off public domain or anything like that.  Needless to say, that tests are being done, and some of the basic past experiences and studies available are all overseas and due to their configuration of distribution there, the setup is completely different.  As is pointed out in other sources other than his talk though, right now BPL is available and is legal to set up…there is just no industry standard yet.  It was very informative from the Canadian look at things, and the presentation was very good.  Unfortunately, I can only remember some things about it…I couldn’t write fast enough so I gave up, and he does not want to give copies of his presentation out…which is understandable in his case.

 

            WB0LJC gave an interesting talk on radio mobile.  Radio mobile deluxe is a radio propagation and visual mapping freeware by VE2DBE.  The website is at:  http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html  The latest version is 5.5.  other info is as follows:

http://www.cplus.org/rmw/howto.html   how to run it.

Look for basic info in the G8GTZgetting_started.doc file after you have installed it in your computer.

http://www.cplus.org/rmw/getting_started.html

http://pizon.org/rmw/index.html

 

By using this software I am gathering you can determine what kind of a chance at a contact you can have between two points…it uses geographic data and elevations etc…to determine the possible paths and contacts between two or more stations.  I do have a sheet that I can copy off if anyone wants it.  Just let me know.  I should have grabbed a few as they were being passed around.

 

Jon, W0ZQ gave a presentation on antenna modeling.  If I recall the name of the program is EZNEC.  I think it costs about $100 for the program, and seems to be a very powerful program.  One can put a stack of antennas up and see what the performance of the entire system will do as each antenna interacts with the others.  Verticals, horizontals, (I am guessing quads etc also)…and traps/coils, & etc… can be utilized and modeled.

Basic equation for wire dipoles is:  Length in feet = 468/mHz.

            Think in straight wires, not quad or loop when using the program

            Gain ends up in dBi…about 2 dB higher than dBd.

 

            Another Talk was given by Bruce, W9FZ, about the lake Superior 10GHz weekend.  Between the pictures and the presentation, I think interest was sparked into this band.  I think eventually a few of us here in Eau Claire will be getting up there. 

 

Conclusion:

            We all had a great time at Aurora again this year, and the information/presentations/show and tells were excellent also.  The mind was definitely spinning in overdrive after the gathering.  After the conference it looks like minds are also getting geared to go up to 10GHz…as noted by the club order going into DEMI.  As far as the overall presentations and events for Aurora, go to the NLRS website and more information can be found there, as well and the eventual postings of the official antenna gain measurements.

 

As an aside also, and pertaining to 10GHz and the dish network dishes….Ray, or whomever, find out the diagram/dimensions for the feedhorn modification for those dishes, and I will machine them out to what they need to be.  If a bunch of the feedhorn assemblies are gathered up, I can do a small run setup at work someday…just a thought.  I have one here also, and as far as I know, Ray and Justin have at least one each, and I think Bob said he has a bunch of them in the yard.

 

Another note:

            Darrell has applied for and received his new vanity call letters.  He was KB9LVK, and has now officially changed to K9AIH.  So if any of you hear that call out there, it is Darrell.

 

New Member:

Scott  Littfin                N0EDV

 

Glad to have you aboard…*S*

 

Aurora concluded at about 6pm CDT.